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		<title>By: Why Transcendental Compression Is Impossible &#124; James McParlane&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-3/#comment-25070</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Transcendental Compression Is Impossible &#124; James McParlane&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had pointed out this posting&#160;and was working out an algorithm. There are other links like [...]</description>
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		<title>By: eirikso</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-3/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>eirikso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Fractals are an interesting option. Someone already made a web page that will &lt;a href=&quot;http://eirikso.com/2006/01/04/the-web-page-that-eventually-will-show-every-picture-possible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;show everything possible&lt;/a&gt;.

...but not using Fractals...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Fractals are an interesting option. Someone already made a web page that will <a href="http://eirikso.com/2006/01/04/the-web-page-that-eventually-will-show-every-picture-possible/" rel="nofollow">show everything possible</a>.</p>
<p>&#8230;but not using Fractals&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-3/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found your site and started browseing. One of the most interesting articles found. Still after 100 comments i&#039;m verry surprised that nobody ever thinked about fractals. So what do we need to create any image. JPG file format uses an 8x8 box and stores a % of existing data to create compresion, so let&#039;s use 8x8x24b pattern.

We now have:
2^1536 combinations x 192 bytes / image
192 bytes = 1536 bits and 2^1536 = 2.4e+462
Stil a lot of combinations. Probably most of them look like noice, so it&#039;s not a verry good option to generate all o them.

I think Google will try to get patterns from existing images. After saveing the top 4.0e+12 (2^32) paterns if we want an 64x64 image we will need to get 8x8 patterns and this will use 4 bytes to address. Resulting in 8x8x4b = 256 bytes / image. Now if we consider the new posible combinations we will get: 3.2e+616.

In conclusion in we still get a lot of posible combinations. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s dificult to create a program to do this. But it&#039;s close to imposible to create and store all images, unless some form of super compresion is applyed. JPG or PNG will probably only cut two &quot;0&quot; from the very big number. Maybe vector graphics, who knows.

Finaly in the end, if someone makes this program to generate a new image every click and considering the number of clicks it need to acualy display something, and the number of sites and people on earth, it will probably still take a lifetime to see something. Just think of the server load...

If you realy want this made let me know, I can make it go it&#039;s way up and display every posible image. But it will start black and stay that way a very long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found your site and started browseing. One of the most interesting articles found. Still after 100 comments i&#8217;m verry surprised that nobody ever thinked about fractals. So what do we need to create any image. JPG file format uses an 8&#215;8 box and stores a % of existing data to create compresion, so let&#8217;s use 8x8x24b pattern.</p>
<p>We now have:<br />
2^1536 combinations x 192 bytes / image<br />
192 bytes = 1536 bits and 2^1536 = 2.4e+462<br />
Stil a lot of combinations. Probably most of them look like noice, so it&#8217;s not a verry good option to generate all o them.</p>
<p>I think Google will try to get patterns from existing images. After saveing the top 4.0e+12 (2^32) paterns if we want an 64&#215;64 image we will need to get 8&#215;8 patterns and this will use 4 bytes to address. Resulting in 8x8x4b = 256 bytes / image. Now if we consider the new posible combinations we will get: 3.2e+616.</p>
<p>In conclusion in we still get a lot of posible combinations. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s dificult to create a program to do this. But it&#8217;s close to imposible to create and store all images, unless some form of super compresion is applyed. JPG or PNG will probably only cut two &#8220;0&#8243; from the very big number. Maybe vector graphics, who knows.</p>
<p>Finaly in the end, if someone makes this program to generate a new image every click and considering the number of clicks it need to acualy display something, and the number of sites and people on earth, it will probably still take a lifetime to see something. Just think of the server load&#8230;</p>
<p>If you realy want this made let me know, I can make it go it&#8217;s way up and display every posible image. But it will start black and stay that way a very long time.</p>
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		<title>By: eirikso.com &#187; The two dice calendar problem</title>
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		<dc:creator>eirikso.com &#187; The two dice calendar problem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of my most popular articles ever is a complicated mathematical experiment, so maybe there are someone out there that find this small challenge [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-2/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would end in an exponential failure. Especially in it&#039;s purest sense. The total energy requirement for this experiment to proceed by sequential bitwise iteration effectively approaches infinity.

From an engineering perspective, you will need an algorithm with very specific initial conditions and rules governing bit permutation patterns in order to bring the energy requirement into an arbitrarily realistic range. Furthermore, fitness will need to be delegated away from humans in order to reduce the time factor to an acceptable level.

Genetic Programming + Differential Equations

Good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would end in an exponential failure. Especially in it&#8217;s purest sense. The total energy requirement for this experiment to proceed by sequential bitwise iteration effectively approaches infinity.</p>
<p>From an engineering perspective, you will need an algorithm with very specific initial conditions and rules governing bit permutation patterns in order to bring the energy requirement into an arbitrarily realistic range. Furthermore, fitness will need to be delegated away from humans in order to reduce the time factor to an acceptable level.</p>
<p>Genetic Programming + Differential Equations</p>
<p>Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Eirikso</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-2/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>Eirikso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And congratulations to Josh for posting comment #100 on this article!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And congratulations to Josh for posting comment #100 on this article!  <img src='http://eirikso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eirikso</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-2/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Eirikso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool! Now I just need a zillion hours on my computer and I have all pictures that is possible to make.

Or, what about this:

Make a built in functionallity so that the program submit all images to &lt;a href=&quot;http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AllYouCanUpload.com&lt;/a&gt;. And post a blog post with the image. Then, after a couple of million years we have a blog with all possible images...

Oh. Well. As suggested in this thread. This is insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool! Now I just need a zillion hours on my computer and I have all pictures that is possible to make.</p>
<p>Or, what about this:</p>
<p>Make a built in functionallity so that the program submit all images to <a href="http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/" rel="nofollow">AllYouCanUpload.com</a>. And post a blog post with the image. Then, after a couple of million years we have a blog with all possible images&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh. Well. As suggested in this thread. This is insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Munki</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-2/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Munki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brain hurts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brain hurts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CEE</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-2/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>CEE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello i believe your calculation is not quite right.

The total amount of colours in a 24bit sampling is 2^24 = 1.67*10^6 (sounds familiar?). The total set of images for a PAL television than would come to (2^24)^(720 * 576). But this number is still not correct, because you still take double combinations of the same image in account. So you still need to devide it throught the total number of double images which is (hmmm, without symbols and subscript not all to easy to write down) Sigma{x=0-&gt;x=(2^24)^(720 * 576)} ((2^24)^(720 * 576)!)/((2^24)^(720 * 576)!*((2^24)^(720 * 576)-x)!)

So you see my calculated value would be much greater than you 2^(720 * 576*24) but would it still be finite.. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello i believe your calculation is not quite right.</p>
<p>The total amount of colours in a 24bit sampling is 2^24 = 1.67*10^6 (sounds familiar?). The total set of images for a PAL television than would come to (2^24)^(720 * 576). But this number is still not correct, because you still take double combinations of the same image in account. So you still need to devide it throught the total number of double images which is (hmmm, without symbols and subscript not all to easy to write down) Sigma{x=0-&gt;x=(2^24)^(720 * 576)} ((2^24)^(720 * 576)!)/((2^24)^(720 * 576)!*((2^24)^(720 * 576)-x)!)</p>
<p>So you see my calculated value would be much greater than you 2^(720 * 576*24) but would it still be finite.. <img src='http://eirikso.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://eirikso.com/2005/05/24/everything-you-would-ever-want-to-see/comment-page-2/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a joke, Jan Sloot.
http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/p.spronck/Sloot.htm

Some people just like to dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a joke, Jan Sloot.<br />
<a href="http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/p.spronck/Sloot.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/p.spronck/Sloot.htm</a></p>
<p>Some people just like to dream.</p>
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